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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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let's radio I am your host

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Patricia Baker and I am here with my

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co-host all the way from Tucson miss

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Patricia Kirkman pique how are you

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tonight doing fine doing fine City on

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the edge of my chair to see if we're

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going to have a visitor or not okay

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we're gonna find out we have to talk

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about yes we do yeah terrific guests we

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have Brandon masuleh coming up who is

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the author of The Ghost studies so we

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know you may have heard from Brandon

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before because it's making the rounds of

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all the radio shows but we're gonna take

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this in a little bit of a different

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direction tonight it's gonna be a lot of

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fun so everybody buckle up it's gonna be

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a wild ride tonight with Brandon we'll

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bring him out in a few minutes and first

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we're gonna check in with you PK let's

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go down with the numbers what are we up

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to this week well I thought firstly

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worried a retrograde and there's not

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much that we're gonna be able to do

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about that we're gonna be in it for

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about three weeks signed no contracts

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unless you absolutely have to there's

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all kinds of things to deal with with

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your communications and it's not going

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to be fun it's just one of those times

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and you just have to kind of deal with

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it the retrograde is in effect until the

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22nd so no contracts to be signed

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watch out traffic is going to be delayed

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there's all kinds of things that are

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slowing everything down so I think that

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breath well yeah except that don't buy

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any expensive equipment pay attention to

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the fact that nothing's going to work as

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normal I need a new car but I'm gonna

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put it off oh you have to you I wouldn't

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defilade following your advice I'm gonna

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put it off and remember that there's a

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shadow period that before we go into it

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and right after we come out of it so

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just be a little ginger with things

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until around the first part of January

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okay all right easier follow your advice

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now you've got some special offers so

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let's [\h__\h]

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well it is also positive okay but yes

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hear about it if they're interested in

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getting a reading I'm giving them a $50

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discount on a reading between now and

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the 16th of the month so if you're

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interested in getting a gift certificate

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for that special someone that you want

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to find out what their world's all about

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give me a call or send me an email and

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we'll get it taken care of for you

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all right with the yep so the other

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thing that we're talking about is gifts

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yeah the numbers yes oh boy oh boy oh

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because take a look at a person's

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birthday if it's the 11th it's a two if

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it's a thirteenth its a four so whatever

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the date is I my web page you'll find

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gifts that are appropriate but if a

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person's birthday totals a one they're

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looking for more unique gifts they like

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special things or gains or gifts that

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are that can be played with um kind of

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make you feel good top of the top of the

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line type gifts if a person is a two

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sentimental or loving and like a bottle

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of wine favorite lookers something like

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that if it's a three there one are you

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social so give them things that I call

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it fluff stuff things that are just make

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them feel good a lot of things that are

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trendy or like perfume or things like

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that if it's a four they're very

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practical very down-to-earth get him

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something for the garden or some tools

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it's a five well they like adventure so

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anything to do with travel or feelings

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that make him feel good or that deals

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like nice okay so this is on your

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website which is calm so I just want to

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tell everybody that's the website you

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can go to go ahead and say now number

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six if you're a number six what you want

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oh what the sixth thing they like things

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that are homey then taken to a spa take

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alright the cozy lifestyle getting some

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hot chocolates that's good if it's a

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seven the gifts they like our

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educational they love knowledge they

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adore books they want to learn more

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about the spiritual side as well and a

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gift certificate

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works great for them an8 they like gifts

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that are expensive they like good gifts

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that you can add or like a little bling

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happy jewelry that wants to just jump on

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their wrist or on their fingers

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nice ice listener just show them that

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where the money comes from but at night

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they got like gifts that are very

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sensitive and that show you care they're

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the ones that are more artistic they

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like things that are Oh artistic it

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always but you could also help out their

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favorite charity and let them know that

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the donation was made in their name they

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would love that oh nice very nice so

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just a little quick fix just yeah you

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can again go to Patricia Kirkman comm to

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get all the details on how to get your

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friends and family the best possible

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gifts with them and again don't forget

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to get a reading because this has been a

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wild ride this year has it not and so

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you want to know what's coming up next

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year and that's one of the best ways to

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do it is to have PK do a reading for you

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so Patricia Kirkman comm go take a look

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and sign up for that special gift offer

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and you'll be very happy with what has

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they should also talk to you about the

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readings that you do oh I'm gonna put a

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special offer together and follow you

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that'll be up on our Facebook page and

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on our website supernatural girls we

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comm make sure you go to our Facebook

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because again we have tremendous

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paranormal stories this week I mean just

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one after another from the crazy booms

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in the sky that nobody has an

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explanation for two more UFO sightings

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and unusual cases it's just been a

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plethora of stuff coming out more and

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more and more we gotta love these

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cellphones because people can actually

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take down and post the things they're

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seeing it's wonderful you can't deny

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things anymore when it's right there a

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black and white that's right and it's

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not photoshopped it's the real deal so

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we've got it on our website but there is

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one thing I wanted to share with

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everybody because I want some input from

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our audience as you know we have the

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smartest audience in paranormal radio

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and here's what happened our dear friend

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Bob Lucca who is a

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tea and he's also the husband of betty

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andreas in lucca the Andreasen affair

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was one of the most highly documented

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UFO cases in history and that book is

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reprinted and that's for sale now also

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they have a new book out called lifting

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of the veil so take a look at both of

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those for Christmas gifts for your

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friends and family but here's what

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Bob posted on his Facebook page a letter

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that he received in 1983 from the White

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House and we posted it on our page - and

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here's what it said dear mr. Lucca

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behalf of the president who is Reagan at

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the time I wish to thank you for your

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message as the president to meet you and

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mr. Larry Fawcett now Larry Fawcett was

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a police officer who investigated UFO

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cases also while the President desires

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to meet and talk with friends and

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supporters whenever possible I am sure

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that you will understand that there are

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so many requests of this type that we

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cannot schedule these visits as often as

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he would like nonetheless please know

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that your interest is most appreciated

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and it's signed by Frederick J Ryan jr.

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who is the director of presidential

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appointments and scheduling and what Bob

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was the UFO situation so what happened

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was Bob posted this and explained a

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little bit about the letter and the

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reason that he got this letter and then

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all of a sudden FB takes it off now why

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was there anything inflammatory there no

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but all of a sudden the post was removed

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from our page from his page and from a

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whole bunch of other pages it was insane

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so I would love to know from our

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audience who was so very smart why do

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you think this was removed

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so here's Bob's comments on it he said I

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posted this this morning and in a short

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time it was taken off for some reason

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I stated this after my wife and I

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interviewed Larry Warren in 1982

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regarding the RFI landing we went

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looking to government for answers as you

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they were not about to give us the

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satisfaction of even talking to us as a

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NASA NASA etc all of the same results

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please share this so that's what

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happened we'd love to know what your

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thoughts are on why Facebook would have

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felt the need to remove this but in the

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meantime we've reposted it so please

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share it yeah so anyway so that's

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something I wanted to share with

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everybody tonight get your insight

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please go to our Facebook page and share

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that post from Bob Lucca

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let's see what we can find out about why

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Facebook wanted to take that off makes

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no sense to me at all but that's what

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happened so let's bring our guests on

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we've got a fun guest tonight this I do

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he's so sharp he's looking into the Gulf

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issue of ghosts in a new way

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so that's why we had to have a mine this

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is an amazing amount of research that

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he's done and he is a clinical therapist

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how about that and a pair of

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psychologists residing in Medina Ohio

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and he is fascinated by paranormal

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phenomena he's been involved with it for

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more than 20 years and he's been a

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participant in and a featured speaker at

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numerous paranormal forums and events so

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we we got to find out what he thinks

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about all this stuff are we all crazy or

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is this for real the ghost studies is

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the name of the book it's right here by

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Brandon muscle Oh Brandon welcome to the

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show hi

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thanks for having me it's great to be

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here hey it's a pleasure having you on

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you are trying to crack the code here of

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ghosts and we survived yes because we

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think all this stuff is normal we don't

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explain to us things that we may have

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not heard of before so how did you get

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involved with this I mean you're an

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actual clinical therapist so what drove

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you to look into the paranormal um well

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I mean it started when I was a teenager

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actually

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I am I was sleeping over a friend's

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house I think I was 14 13 something like

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that and one of my other friends come

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running in the room saying he just saw a

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ghost and I didn't see it and he was

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really scared and he started asking me

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what do you think ghosts are real what

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are ghosts probably thirty other

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questions and I remember just kind of

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staring at him and thinking I don't know

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I have no idea because I never really

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thought about it before so then I went

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to the library picked up a book on

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parapsychology read through that in a

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day or two picked up another book at the

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library kept going and going and going

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so I read every book there was on

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parapsychology and then the next thing

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you know I'm studying psychology at the

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University of Toledo and I and I

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remember and I've told this story before

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I remember going up to one of the

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professors at the University of Toledo

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and saying you know I'm really

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interested in parapsychology I'd like to

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get into that and I remember him just

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never be able to support all those

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combined really he was kind of like well

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you know there's there's not it's not I

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don't leave he didn't really say it

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wasn't respected but he said that

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there's there's not a lot of people in

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the states that do parapsychology you're

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lucky to get a job in it again you know

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you're better off getting a degree and

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and something more practical so you know

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I kind of took his advice cuz he was you

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know he's a professor so you know I'm a

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19 year old kid talking about ghosts and

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parapsychology and this is a you know

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forty some year old professor who's you

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know got all kinds of research in all

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the journals so I was like oh okay so I

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did the clinical counseling thing for a

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couple years and did private practice

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hospitals substance abuse places and

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then I was like you know what I really

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want to do this parapsychology thing so

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then I applied and got accepted to the

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University of Edinburgh in Scotland

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where I studied psychological research

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methods and I specialized in

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parapsychology and that's when I did my

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research at haunted location my my

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certain supervisor was dr. Caroline

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white who is the head of the Koestler

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parapsychology unit and probably one of

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the most famous pair of psychologists in

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the world and that's really what started

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I didn't have a I didn't have a cool

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experience when I was young I don't have

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a cool story like most people do I just

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picked up a book because I was really

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kind of curious and then you know fast

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forward 20 years and now I got a book

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called to go studies you know I would

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never thought anything like that would

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have happened congratulations that's

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great

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did you did you find a people in

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Scotland we're more open to this yes yes

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a lot more open everywhere you go in

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Scotland whether you're you're going to

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get a sandwich or you're going to you

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know the store to buy a shirt everyone

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will wants to tell you how their place

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is haunted you know everything is

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haunted in Scotland I mean you know fun

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yeah everyone's got a story and everyone

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really wants to you know talk about

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theories and and everything like that

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and I could macadamias a lot more open

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over there too because there's a lot of

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universities that have pair of

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psychologists and pair of psychology

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departments as opposed to the states

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where there's not really that too much

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at least in colleges there's not there's

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not too many parapsychology course as a

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matter of fact I can't think of any so

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the people are more open academia is

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more open to it you know it's just a

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different environment and I don't know

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what people ask me why that is I don't

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know you know I know if you anyone who's

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ever been to the United Kingdom knows

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that everything is old over there like

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university of n borough was founded in

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or I think founded in like 1576 like

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Darwin

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Edinburgh so you know the states where

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our history is really only you know 200

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some years old so we don't have all

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those stories and all the castles and

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all that stuff so you know I think maybe

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that's the plays a little bit of a role

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in it too yeah exactly

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so now you've taken on a fascinating

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subject which we love which is ghosts

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and you we're answering some questions

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in your book about why some people see

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ghosts and

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why some people do not so I know you've

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come to your own conclusions about this

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and please enlighten us what do you

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think causes some people to see them and

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have experiences and not others

394
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well you know I wanted the research that

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I did overseas at the University of

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Edinburgh was on a thing called

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environmental sensitivity and paranormal

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experiences so I really believe that

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people who are classified as

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environmentally sensitive are more prone

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to have ghostly encounters so let me

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just first just kind of explain what

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environmental sensitivity is yes yeah

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because I think things can get a little

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confusing with the word sensitivity but

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basically it's sort of an increased it

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has nothing to do with psychic abilities

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but rather something pretty simple and

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concrete such as sort of the ability to

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taste touch and smell so environmental

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sensitivity is not psychic sensitivity

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those those who claim to be psychic or

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obviously like you know they could

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communicate with the deceased

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chip coffee Sylvia Browne John Edwards

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environmental sensitivity that these

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people are just affected by the

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surrounding environment to a higher

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degree than the normal population so we

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all and you got everyone here could

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really attest to it we all are affected

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by the environment differently my my

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experiences in the world are different

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than PKS and Patricia's experiences in

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the world

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I smell things differently I see colors

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differently I experience the environment

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differently there's some individuals who

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are more than others than the general

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population that just are more attuned to

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the environment than everyone else they

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taste foods better if you want to say it

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like that super tasters sometimes

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they're called you know the smells can

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be overwhelming to them like fragrances

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can cause rashes fibromyalgia they tend

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to have migraines so what research

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really points is that these people who

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are really sensitive to the environment

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and environmental stimuli have way way

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way way way way more paranormal

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experiences than the general pype

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and I think those who were sent

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environmentally-sensitive seventy

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percent of those who

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environmentally-sensitive have

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paranormal experiences which is a pretty

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big number so my thoughts were well you

449
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know why are they having more paranormal

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experiences than everybody else and you

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know I don't really have a definitive

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fact answer for that I think that it

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more has to do with if they're more

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sensitive to the sensitive to the

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environment and you know ghosts or

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apparitions or ghostly encounters have

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to do with sort of the environment maybe

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those who are more sensitive to it can

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pick up on these things in the

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environment better than everybody else

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which makes them more prone mm-hmm so it

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makes it a little easier for them as

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opposed to others but what about then

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the emotional component because you also

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get into that in your book how does that

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fit in well you know emotions have been

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linked with paranormal experiences gosh

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since the 1800s

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you know crisis apparitions deathbed

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apparitions they tend to happen when so

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crisis apparitions are like if you're if

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you're sitting at home on a Wednesday

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night and you know you're ready to go to

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bed and then you know you're your son

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pops up in the corner or your Sun pops

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up in the room and he's you know covered

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and he's drenched in water and he's got

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a cut on his head and he says I love you

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mom and then you find out the next day

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that he had slipped off a bridge hit his

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head and drowned in the river right so

482
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you know it's kind of like this happened

483
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at the same time you were having this

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crisis apparition of your son

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but in deathbed visions are sort of the

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same thing but these spontaneous cases

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are sort of a wealth of information for

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parapsychology but what we find is that

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when people are in emotional states like

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overwhelming depression they tend to

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have more at that points it's more

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correlated with having a ghostly

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encounter and that's been going on it's

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pretty much since the 1800s

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some of my theories and thoughts are

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that I think life-threatening events

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crisis trauma is sort of a catalyst or

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the first step in a process of having

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like a paranormal experience so let's

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use the example let's say I'm walking on

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a bridge and I I trip and fall and I hit

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my head and I'm in the water I'm

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probably gonna be pretty overwhelmed

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with a lot of emotions right yeah

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hey I'm you know I'm dying I'm this

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might be the end you know I'm gonna be

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scared I'm gonna be fearful I'm gonna be

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sad you know I'm gonna be all these

509
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emotions so that's sort of the the the

510
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switch that the catalyst so then these

511
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emotions happen and I want to

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communicate them to somebody and then

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somehow I communicate them to my mom

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who's you know two states over through

515
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this you know this telepathic distress

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signal that I sent them and then I show

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up in her bedroom covered in water and

518
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so forth but the start to that whole

519
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process is the emotional part the

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life-threatening event feeling like

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you're dying wanting to communicate all

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that stuff that's sort of the start of

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are my theories and then I think that

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emotions trigger a lot of internal bio

525
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energetic stuff if you want to call it

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like that and then that that leads to

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sort of resonating through the

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environment as a whole I have a whole

529
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equation as what I call it in the book

530
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yeah I mean emotions seem to be a

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valuable part of a lot of things

532
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including prayer I mean people talk

533
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about if you want to pray successfully

534
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:40,260
you've got to put your emotions into it

535
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whether it's desperation or love or

536
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whatever it is you've got to pray with

537
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that feeling of emotion because emotions

538
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kind of like the rocket fuel isn't it I

539
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mean it's it's the stuff that pushes the

540
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energy forward yeah yeah you know if you

541
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:58,800
know I think I can't remember if it was

542
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Carl Jung who said something along the

543
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lines of you know if if there's no

544
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:08,730
significant emotional dynamics in a

545
00:23:12,650 --> 00:23:11,250
house he doesn't he didn't think that

546
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:12,660
there's there would be any sort of

547
00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:14,380
hauntings or apparitional experience

548
00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:16,630
is so this idea that emotions are linked

549
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:19,420
with ghosts are and in prayer and spirit

550
00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:21,130
and all that it's it's been going on for

551
00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:23,080
a while I don't think it's hard to

552
00:23:29,130 --> 00:23:26,950
really quantify emotions right you know

553
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:29,140
it's it is yeah you can't take a blood

554
00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:30,730
test and though someone's emotional

555
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,360
right you know so quantifying that it's

556
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:37,120
difficult but there is this huge

557
00:23:43,170 --> 00:23:39,310
correlation between paranormal

558
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:43,180
experiences and emotions so and I think

559
00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:45,910
science is just trying to figure out why

560
00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:47,860
that is or what happens in our with our

561
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:50,380
bodies when we get overwhelmed trauma

562
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,610
wise and emotion wise yeah there's a lot

563
00:23:59,640 --> 00:23:57,760
to this emotional aspect I think and I

564
00:24:01,620 --> 00:23:59,650
know what I used to work for Bob Monroe

565
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:01,630
years ago from the Monroe Institute and

566
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:04,540
I remember Bob saying that we don't have

567
00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:07,180
the technology to really measure what's

568
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,100
going on with the paranormal he said

569
00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:11,620
we're kind of measuring like the exhaust

570
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:19,980
you know but with emotions interesting

571
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:21,610
to me for a number of reasons but it's

572
00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:25,150
also linked to water in the emotion and

573
00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:27,820
water if you're dreaming of water we

574
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:29,020
have a dream at night and there's

575
00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:30,460
something about water you're dreaming

576
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:31,900
about emotion that's the universal

577
00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:34,810
symbol but there's also something kind

578
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:38,740
of spooky with water and let me mention

579
00:24:43,770 --> 00:24:41,440
this one to you and tell me what you

580
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:43,780
think because we're familiar and I'm

581
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:45,700
sure you are too with the work of David

582
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:49,120
Pilates be familiar with David's work he

583
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:52,740
is a retired police officer who has been

584
00:24:58,290 --> 00:24:56,280
cataloging all of these mysterious

585
00:25:03,630 --> 00:24:58,300
disappearances of people in our national

586
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:03,640
parks and in urban areas now as well and

587
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:07,360
one of the things that he finds in

588
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:10,270
almost every case is the link to water

589
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:14,170
and the bodies are found in water or the

590
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:16,360
people disappear from a place near one I

591
00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:18,370
mean there's always something intense

592
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:21,040
around this water thing and I'm

593
00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:23,260
wondering you know I read David's work

594
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,660
it's incredible of the amount of work

595
00:25:28,259 --> 00:25:27,760
he's put into this to try to bring all

596
00:25:31,349 --> 00:25:28,269
this to

597
00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:31,359
he has no answer for how these people go

598
00:25:36,949 --> 00:25:33,459
missing and what's causing them to go

599
00:25:40,169 --> 00:25:36,959
missing but it makes me wonder do we

600
00:25:42,329 --> 00:25:40,179
need to know more about water I mean

601
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:42,339
what is it about water that we don't

602
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:45,369
know is the question I have is there

603
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:47,769
something electrochemical about water

604
00:25:52,859 --> 00:25:50,169
that we're missing completely because

605
00:25:55,649 --> 00:25:52,869
we're focused on more on the electricity

606
00:25:58,619 --> 00:25:55,659
or the biochemical stuff but we're we're

607
00:26:00,479 --> 00:25:58,629
not paying attention to what water

608
00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:00,489
really is mean we're mostly made up of

609
00:26:05,159 --> 00:26:02,200
water right what is it ninety seven

610
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:05,169
percent or something crazy like that but

611
00:26:10,379 --> 00:26:08,039
there seems to be to me anyways

612
00:26:12,629 --> 00:26:10,389
something paranormal that goes on with

613
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:12,639
water and again what brought it to my

614
00:26:17,609 --> 00:26:15,089
mind was reading your book and also

615
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:17,619
keeping in my and David's work with

616
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:21,129
these missing people there's something

617
00:26:24,869 --> 00:26:23,049
very mysterious here that we have yet to

618
00:26:26,699 --> 00:26:24,879
figure out about water in my opinion

619
00:26:29,159 --> 00:26:26,709
what do you think about that you know I

620
00:26:32,249 --> 00:26:29,169
I don't know what I think about that I

621
00:26:35,539 --> 00:26:32,259
know there's been a lot of I think

622
00:26:37,979 --> 00:26:35,549
Studies on I I can't remember the

623
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:37,989
person's name I think he's in Japan or

624
00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:42,059
something like that about how water

625
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:45,999
crystallizes okay I'm talking about I

626
00:26:49,739 --> 00:26:47,529
can't remember off the top there's a

627
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:49,749
movie that shows the different stages of

628
00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:54,159
it okay no and and what is the people

629
00:26:57,569 --> 00:26:55,869
think different if they're happy water

630
00:26:59,519 --> 00:26:57,579
crystallizes differently or something

631
00:27:02,999 --> 00:26:59,529
yeah in a much more beautiful pattern

632
00:27:06,389 --> 00:27:03,009
yes right yeah so that's a good example

633
00:27:08,819 --> 00:27:06,399
of how people's emotions affect the

634
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:08,829
things that are around us water being

635
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:11,139
specifically one of those things so I

636
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:14,409
and I think that throughout time waters

637
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,559
had this sort of mystical element to it

638
00:27:22,109 --> 00:27:20,559
if you want to say that but I don't know

639
00:27:23,399 --> 00:27:22,119
his work - well I'll be honest with you

640
00:27:26,069 --> 00:27:23,409
I'll have to look that up and read it

641
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:26,079
yeah you'll find it fascinating rebus

642
00:27:30,539 --> 00:27:28,809
yeah you really will you may be able to

643
00:27:35,339 --> 00:27:30,549
put some pieces together that are

644
00:27:37,409 --> 00:27:35,349
definitely missing pieces are missing

645
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:37,419
yeah I've heard that before though a lot

646
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:39,190
of people who you know correlate

647
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:42,070
paranormal experiences or

648
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:45,220
locations to be closer to bodies of

649
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:47,530
water or streams or rivers or something

650
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:50,830
like that yes yes but I'm not much in

651
00:27:56,790 --> 00:27:53,170
the geology or the all that stuff that

652
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:56,800
goes on there unfortunately so I have I

653
00:28:01,770 --> 00:27:58,270
haven't really looked into that as much

654
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:01,780
as other areas but I always love reading

655
00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:03,820
new stuff so I'll have to write that

656
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:06,460
down here and check that oh yeah because

657
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,980
I think we're onto something here about

658
00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:11,200
the power of water within our own bodies

659
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:14,020
and how that contributes to the

660
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:15,850
paranormal phenomenon it may actually be

661
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:18,340
the highway for a lot of these things to

662
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:19,930
happen and it's something that we so

663
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:22,390
take for granted I don't think we

664
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:25,960
understand the depths of the power of it

665
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:28,200
all and certainly if there are

666
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:31,020
interdimensional beings or other

667
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:34,090
creatures that know how to use it which

668
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:34,720
is my guess

669
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:37,420
we're far behind and we need to do some

670
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:39,910
catching up because these these things

671
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:42,850
are using water and they are making

672
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:45,160
people mysteriously disappear into other

673
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:46,570
dimensions or wherever the heck they're

674
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:48,550
taking them never to be seen again

675
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,490
so it's a it's it's quite an interesting

676
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:53,650
phenomenon and I think there's a link

677
00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:56,440
between that and your work so that's why

678
00:29:02,580 --> 00:28:58,840
I'm bringing this to your attention what

679
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:02,590
was his name again David Paulides

680
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:07,680
a ul I des he's done a number of

681
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,880
podcasts we've tried to get him on the

682
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:11,440
show but I don't know he just doesn't

683
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:30,460
seem to like doing shows I think there's

684
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,410
a link for you so that's why I wanted to

685
00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:33,760
be sure to bring this up there's some

686
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,920
power there that we don't understand

687
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:37,840
there's some power here that were

688
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:40,270
absolutely missing and I think it's a

689
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:42,550
link for you and I think that that's

690
00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:44,650
something it's important you bring up

691
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:45,940
the this topic but I think it's

692
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:47,980
important to say this I I think everyone

693
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:50,530
you know I was an ardent skeptic for I

694
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:53,620
don't know ten years or so you know when

695
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:55,090
people would tell me ghostly encounters

696
00:29:58,049 --> 00:29:55,990
I would just be going

697
00:30:00,600 --> 00:29:58,059
from my head ways to debunk what they're

698
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:00,610
saying so I wasn't really listening I

699
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:02,650
wasn't open-minded if it didn't fit in

700
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:05,080
my little screen or my little bubble you

701
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:06,910
know I was just like oh they all know

702
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:08,200
what they're talking about you know I

703
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:09,790
have a degree I know what I'm talking

704
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:12,250
about but that you know that kind of

705
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:14,020
attitude doesn't get you very far it

706
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:16,929
keeps you close minded yes and you just

707
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:19,330
look for confirmation bias and you just

708
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:21,220
get caught up in a lot of that yeah

709
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:22,480
absolutely do I'm gonna have to

710
00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:23,530
interrupt you because we're gonna have

711
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:25,179
to take a very short breaks and we're

712
00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:26,890
gonna get back to this and other things

713
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:27,820
from your book

714
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:33,910
the ghost legal studies everybody

715
00:30:38,669 --> 00:30:36,820
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716
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:38,679
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717
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,240
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718
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:53,650
Girls radio I'm your host Patricia Baker

719
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:57,100
I am here with my co-host PK and our

720
00:31:02,220 --> 00:30:59,140
terrific guest tonight who is Brandon

721
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:02,230
Mozilo he is the author of the ghost

722
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:09,580
studies and fabulous book a great

723
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:11,650
Christmas present for all your friends

724
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:13,810
who are into this kind of thing and some

725
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:15,250
that aren't lets change their mind about

726
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:16,770
this okay

727
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:19,840
got some questions for you Brandon from

728
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:21,610
the chat room so I'm going to go ahead

729
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:24,340
and go down some of this list here from

730
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:27,460
Sheryl marks she wants to know when your

731
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:29,770
friends saw the ghost way back when when

732
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:31,240
you're a teenager what did the ghost

733
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:34,690
look like well the the place we were

734
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:36,580
staying at was my friend's house and he

735
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:40,270
lived probably I don't know how it was

736
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:42,460
like next door to a cemetery

737
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:46,330
and the ghost was I it was female it had

738
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:48,250
an older and he described it as like an

739
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,640
older dress on so I'm guessing that

740
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:53,440
probably meant like 40s or 50s or

741
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:54,730
something like that

742
00:31:59,370 --> 00:31:57,100
and it had a hat on and it kind of

743
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,380
walked it kind of walked into the

744
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:02,320
basement like the doorway and then it

745
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:04,150
walked in a little bit and then

746
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:06,400
disappeared if I remember it correctly

747
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:09,580
so it's kind of late and then I think my

748
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:11,860
friend who lived there said he had seen

749
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:15,400
that ghost before as well so nobody back

750
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:17,080
you know back then it was just like oh

751
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:19,210
goes okay so no one did research don't

752
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:21,010
want Google to anything they just like

753
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:22,840
oh it's a ghost okay and then you can

754
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:32,290
just move on it was just kind of it is

755
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:35,770
what it is and you move on very

756
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:37,780
interesting yes okay this is from

757
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:40,060
friendship stone who says hi Brandon

758
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:42,730
can you explain if any of these

759
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:46,030
abilities that some have are linked to

760
00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:50,770
familial DNA yeah actually there is

761
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:52,660
because we talked about environmental

762
00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:55,150
sensitivity so there's the strong

763
00:33:01,290 --> 00:32:58,150
genetic link and environmental

764
00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:01,300
sensitivity so if your if your mom was

765
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:02,200
very sensitive to

766
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:03,640
I have many chances are you're very

767
00:33:06,510 --> 00:33:05,050
sensitive to the environment and then

768
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:06,520
your kids will be very sensitive to the

769
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:08,290
environment so you know you could

770
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:11,140
actually see the sort of that genetic

771
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:14,110
link handed down in these sensitivity to

772
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:15,790
all this environmental stimuli going on

773
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:18,790
and as I said before those people who

774
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:20,200
are really sensitive are more prone to

775
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:22,270
paranormal experiences so you could see

776
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,230
that there is a little bit of a

777
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:25,360
coordination between people who are more

778
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,630
prone to ghostly encounters you know

779
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:31,600
it's tough with psychic sensitivity to

780
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,100
see if there's a genetic link my guess

781
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:35,440
would be probably a hundred percent the

782
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,860
same thing I think that it's it's

783
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:41,440
genetic it's passed down you know it's

784
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:44,260
like eye color in a way you know if I'm

785
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:46,090
if my dad's good at basketball there's

786
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:47,590
probably high probability I'm gonna be

787
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:49,270
pretty good at basketball or sports and

788
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,610
I think psychic abilities probably are

789
00:33:57,510 --> 00:33:54,880
the same thing yeah I think we would

790
00:33:59,010 --> 00:33:57,520
agree with that absolutely because all

791
00:34:02,520 --> 00:33:59,020
the people that we've interviewed on the

792
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:02,530
show they always talk about this this

793
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:04,330
their mother had it or their grandmother

794
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:06,760
handed or grandpa somebody had it and

795
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:09,670
and also it comes out a lot with UFO

796
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,090
abductees that if one person was

797
00:34:17,310 --> 00:34:15,040
abducted then they often have stories

798
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:17,320
that in generations past this had gone

799
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:20,130
on so and I I hear about that from

800
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:23,790
people that have done the hypnosis for

801
00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:26,410
abductees subjects and they find this

802
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:28,600
with family members over and over again

803
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:29,710
huh

804
00:34:33,630 --> 00:34:31,870
yeah and that's one of the things that

805
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:33,640
I'm I'm kind of because I was sort of

806
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,050
behind the scenes for a lot of years you

807
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:37,040
know I I never really came out in public

808
00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:40,860
[Laughter]

809
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:42,700
yes

810
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:44,890
you know now I'm out in paranormal

811
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:47,350
conferences and I'm out on radio shows

812
00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:49,630
and I have a website and all that so you

813
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:51,940
know I'm finding more and more people

814
00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:55,930
are are sort of like I always thought

815
00:35:00,360 --> 00:34:57,790
there was sections like there's there's

816
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:00,370
cryptids right that's one place and then

817
00:35:03,330 --> 00:35:02,110
there's aliens that's another place and

818
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:03,340
then there's ghosts and that's a third

819
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,620
place right but I'm finding that there's

820
00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:08,560
a little bit of um a blurry line between

821
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:11,380
some things like that like you know

822
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:14,110
abductees have somewhere senses to those

823
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:16,060
with go so you know I didn't really

824
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:18,070
there was a lot of that melding of all

825
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:19,810
these phenomenon in the one thing which

826
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:21,220
I'm finding out more and more down that

827
00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:22,990
you know these conferences which is kind

828
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:24,460
of really interesting I never really

829
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,340
looked at that before yeah it is

830
00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:28,960
fascinating it's like well why does

831
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:30,460
somebody see a ghost why does somebody

832
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:32,710
see Bigfoot I mean are these these

833
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:35,230
things linked you know are these people

834
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:38,110
having some experiences because of some

835
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,030
of the same factors that you identify in

836
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,640
your book yeah and then sometimes people

837
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:44,680
will talk about their their alien

838
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:46,150
encounters and it sounds a lot like a

839
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:47,650
ghostly encounter and you kind of go

840
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:50,500
okay there's a lot of similarities there

841
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:52,210
it's it's kind of a weird melding I

842
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:55,510
never really saw before yeah it's

843
00:35:59,700 --> 00:35:57,730
fascinating and this is from Carrie

844
00:36:03,180 --> 00:35:59,710
Remington who's asking I would like to

845
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:03,190
know if a professional like you can rule

846
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:05,650
out if someone is not just plainly

847
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:08,830
insane when they claim to see ghosts

848
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:26,340
it's it can be done I think in the book

849
00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:28,150
I have a chapter called not everything

850
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,460
is paranormal and one of the things that

851
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:33,660
I go over in that chapter is sort of the

852
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,460
mental illness and ghostly encounters

853
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:38,800
right so if someone talks about seeing a

854
00:36:42,270 --> 00:36:39,990
ghost

855
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:42,280
there's always one skeptic in the room

856
00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:43,960
that just goes all that person's crazy

857
00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:47,380
and they're hallucinating right it

858
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:49,000
doesn't really work that way I've done

859
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:52,570
over 5,000 psychological evaluations so

860
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:54,580
I know how to diagnose someone who's

861
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:56,260
schizophrenic I know how to diagnose

862
00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:57,730
someone who's schizoaffective I know

863
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,450
hallucinations I know delusions and and

864
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:03,540
there is a difference between having

865
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:06,310
consistent visual auditory and command

866
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,270
hallucinations and seeing having a

867
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:12,880
ghostly encounter once or twice in your

868
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:15,720
life right there's a difference between

869
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,350
so it can be you know I think that you

870
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:23,920
you know whenever I have a lot of

871
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:26,200
ghostly encounter cases in my book and

872
00:37:30,979 --> 00:37:29,339
you know none of these people were

873
00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:30,989
schizophrenic or schizoaffective ever

874
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,999
had any type of psychosis involved in it

875
00:37:36,709 --> 00:37:35,160
so you can't really parse that parcel

876
00:37:41,209 --> 00:37:36,719
that stuff out

877
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,219
I know I've ran into some people in my

878
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:43,859
time that I can definitely tell I had

879
00:37:50,359 --> 00:37:46,890
some mental illnesses there was one

880
00:37:52,279 --> 00:37:50,369
gentleman who he was adamant that there

881
00:37:54,499 --> 00:37:52,289
was a light outside of his room that

882
00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:54,509
would go off on certain times throughout

883
00:37:59,989 --> 00:37:55,979
the night he was adamant that it was a

884
00:38:01,969 --> 00:37:59,999
ghost just adamant about it and the

885
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,979
neighbor actually told him no it's it's

886
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:03,839
a motion detected light it just goes off

887
00:38:09,049 --> 00:38:06,450
when something goes by it and he was

888
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:09,059
still convinced it was ghosts so at that

889
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:10,529
point you kind of have to go well you

890
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:11,640
know there's probably something more

891
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:13,710
going on there and then he thought the

892
00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:15,210
light was trying to communicate with

893
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:17,999
them so you could see some stretches

894
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:21,150
involved in that but like I said before

895
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:22,950
you could parcel out usually mental

896
00:38:26,989 --> 00:38:25,950
illness and ghostly encounters and I

897
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:26,999
think a lot of people who have

898
00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:28,950
legitimate ghostly encounters there's no

899
00:38:33,769 --> 00:38:31,019
real mental illness with them at least

900
00:38:35,749 --> 00:38:33,779
in my experience yeah that would make

901
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:35,759
sense now one of the things too that

902
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,710
we've heard recently because he had

903
00:38:41,479 --> 00:38:39,359
talked to some psychologists and

904
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,489
psychiatrists that we wanted to have

905
00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:43,200
come on the show but they were scared to

906
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,549
because they didn't want to lose their

907
00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:47,160
job but what they're saying is that

908
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:50,119
there is an entire group of

909
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:52,529
psychologists and psychiatrists that now

910
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:56,640
feel that some not all but some of the

911
00:38:59,959 --> 00:38:58,410
schizophrenic and some of the people

912
00:39:03,739 --> 00:38:59,969
that have been diagnosed with mental

913
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:03,749
illnesses are really seeing things and

914
00:39:08,479 --> 00:39:06,210
hearing things that are there they're

915
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,489
just in another dimension and they can't

916
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:10,920
what the problem is they're telling us

917
00:39:19,279 --> 00:39:15,650
that they these patients cannot sort out

918
00:39:23,269 --> 00:39:19,289
this other dimensional experience from

919
00:39:26,269 --> 00:39:23,279
this reality and so that's what makes us

920
00:39:28,459 --> 00:39:26,279
diagnose them with a mental illness but

921
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,469
in fact what these psychiatrists and

922
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:29,940
psychologists are saying is they're not

923
00:39:34,219 --> 00:39:31,950
really insane they just they're seeing

924
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,229
something in another dimension and

925
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:37,380
they're reacting to it and so it's a

926
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:41,569
very fascinating change oh yeah yeah

927
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,079
just thinking of

928
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:45,420
this I would live with tuned into that

929
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:46,920
show if you can get someone on to talk

930
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:52,200
about that know what the stigma can be

931
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,630
for somebody in traditional psychiatry

932
00:39:58,249 --> 00:39:57,119
psychology so that's been their hold up

933
00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:58,259
I said you don't have to even use your

934
00:40:04,789 --> 00:39:59,910
real name we don't care just you know

935
00:40:07,999 --> 00:40:04,799
disguise your voice because it is a

936
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,009
fascinating possibility then these

937
00:40:12,739 --> 00:40:10,319
people aren't insane but they really are

938
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:12,749
seeing into other places that we can't

939
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:16,319
see normally so it's again it's an

940
00:40:20,959 --> 00:40:18,089
interesting thing now there's another

941
00:40:24,279 --> 00:40:20,969
doctor though that dr. Gallagher I know

942
00:40:28,009 --> 00:40:24,289
if you've heard of him he was doing

943
00:40:29,779 --> 00:40:28,019
exorcisms and he is a firm believer I

944
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:29,789
believe he's a psychiatrist and he's a

945
00:40:36,859 --> 00:40:34,049
firm believer that demons etc are in

946
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:36,869
fact real so he's in the process of

947
00:40:40,249 --> 00:40:37,950
writing a book now we're gonna

948
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:40,259
definitely have him on the show because

949
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:43,170
you know again it's a totally different

950
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,910
perspective he's not a Catholic priest

951
00:40:50,509 --> 00:40:47,160
you know it's not a part of a religious

952
00:40:52,249 --> 00:40:50,519
experience what this is is is a doctor

953
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:52,259
who's saying yes these people are

954
00:40:58,489 --> 00:40:53,940
possessed or yes these people are being

955
00:41:00,380 --> 00:40:58,499
attacked by real entities and so again

956
00:41:02,209 --> 00:41:00,390
there's a whole changeover that's

957
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,219
happening in the way we think about this

958
00:41:06,949 --> 00:41:04,680
but speaking of demons have you come

959
00:41:09,739 --> 00:41:06,959
across people that have had experiences

960
00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:09,749
with a negative side of this you know I

961
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:13,559
I haven't really had anybody talked to

962
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:15,150
me about demons or anything like that

963
00:41:19,249 --> 00:41:17,819
and I and that's kind of really one of

964
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,259
those things that's sort of outside my

965
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:22,319
realm of expertise if you want to say

966
00:41:25,249 --> 00:41:23,190
something like that

967
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:25,259
I've dealt mainly with just ghostly

968
00:41:31,969 --> 00:41:28,249
encounters sense of presence apparitions

969
00:41:34,999 --> 00:41:31,979
you know auditory like hearing things

970
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:35,009
like rap sounds smells perfumes things

971
00:41:37,969 --> 00:41:35,609
like that

972
00:41:40,969 --> 00:41:37,979
I really haven't gone too much down the

973
00:41:45,069 --> 00:41:40,979
demon route you know I with my training

974
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,079
I still you know I you know the

975
00:41:49,459 --> 00:41:47,640
possession exorcism there's a lot of

976
00:41:51,289 --> 00:41:49,469
similarities between that and like

977
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:51,299
schizophrenia so disorganized speech

978
00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:54,569
flat affect my auditory visual

979
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:55,709
hallucinations

980
00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:57,000
so someone

981
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:58,470
speaking in tongues is disorganized

982
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:01,470
speech in a way so you know it's kind of

983
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,950
tough even pseudo seizures like

984
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:05,940
convulsions things like that I've seen

985
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:08,250
people in the emergency room who aren't

986
00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:10,170
having actual seizures they're just

987
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:15,360
seizures brought on by mental illness if

988
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:17,550
you want to say something like that so I

989
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:19,650
try to stay away from the demon part of

990
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:21,450
things just because there's too many

991
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:23,250
variables associated with that that I

992
00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:24,950
don't think you can really pin that down

993
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,620
and I haven't you know I really don't

994
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:30,240
know what my thoughts are on demons I

995
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:31,530
really haven't gone down that rabbit

996
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:34,050
hole quite yet I don't know I so I

997
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:35,870
usually just stay away from that type of

998
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,900
question and everything like that I

999
00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:41,820
people always will send me messages on

1000
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,430
on the Facebook and the Twitter asking

1001
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:46,140
me about that it and I really don't know

1002
00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:47,460
I think there's a lot of people out

1003
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:49,860
there who know more a lot about that

1004
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:51,660
than I do so I try to stay away and

1005
00:43:17,270 --> 00:42:54,780
direct them towards them sure it makes

1006
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:17,280
sense I'd want to go down there here's

1007
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:18,930
another question for you Brandon this is

1008
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:21,720
from Preston D who asks I'm also curious

1009
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:24,900
about the idea of ghosts vs. aliens and

1010
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,470
that they may truly be the same entity

1011
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,930
could aliens not project their form of

1012
00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:32,880
something we are familiar with like a

1013
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:35,100
human being so the witness can interpret

1014
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,090
it as a ghost good question yeah and I

1015
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,160
think there's a lot of there's a lot of

1016
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:42,780
thought about actually you know what are

1017
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:44,580
apparitions and what are ghosts are they

1018
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,890
sort of this internal projection of

1019
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:49,160
what's going on with us psychologically

1020
00:43:56,420 --> 00:43:52,650
so is seeing the ghost of a recently

1021
00:43:58,940 --> 00:43:56,430
deceased relative is that sort of like

1022
00:44:02,660 --> 00:43:58,950
our grief projecting itself out into the

1023
00:44:05,330 --> 00:44:02,670
environment you know you mentioned again

1024
00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:05,340
aliens I don't know much about but you

1025
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:09,600
know if that if that realm falls into it

1026
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,050
or they

1027
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:11,880
manipulating and doing things like that

1028
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:13,950
so there's so many there's that's the

1029
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:15,570
problem nowadays is there's so many

1030
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:17,670
there's so many questions and there's so

1031
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:20,850
many sort of thoughts about what's going

1032
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:23,070
on or possibilities that going on it's

1033
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:25,220
tough to sort of narrow that down

1034
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:27,510
especially when you have this in the

1035
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:29,190
last ten years I don't know five years

1036
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,650
we're quantum mechanics and quantum

1037
00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:33,480
physics has sort of got an end to this

1038
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:36,120
whole paranormal realm that you know you

1039
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:37,950
could really point you could really say

1040
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:41,010
well it's interdimensional string theory

1041
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:42,840
types going in and then people go how do

1042
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:44,040
you know that well it's quantum

1043
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,130
mechanics so quantum mechanics has

1044
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:48,480
become that word that sort of can

1045
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,000
explain everything now and I think

1046
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:53,220
that's and I and there's probably a lot

1047
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:55,050
to it I'm not a physicist obviously but

1048
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:57,390
I think it's dangerous sometimes to go

1049
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,300
down that road to say well it's just

1050
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:02,040
quantum physics or it's interdimensional

1051
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:05,910
or it's aliens I like the sort of and

1052
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:08,130
again my little bubble is is ghostly

1053
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,290
encounters so I like to look at these

1054
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,520
ghostly encounters on a case-by-case

1055
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:14,400
basis and sort of go well what's going

1056
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,350
on here why what happened in this

1057
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,720
situation what was this person feeling

1058
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,780
what was their personal experience and I

1059
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:23,220
try to stay away from sort of those

1060
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:25,890
external quantum mechanics and you know

1061
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:28,170
aliens and dimensions and things like

1062
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:30,650
that because I think that gets my brain

1063
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:33,930
going in all different places you know

1064
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:36,330
psyching you if you're researching

1065
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,610
something and you google Clark physics

1066
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,020
the next thing you know it's like nine

1067
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:42,000
hours later and I'm just my eyes are

1068
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:49,320
just I've read 2,200 websites on IHI I

1069
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:52,950
got to go to sleep you know so I have to

1070
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:55,770
really focus myself on one thing and one

1071
00:45:58,310 --> 00:45:56,700
thing at a time

1072
00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:58,320
and that's when people ask me about

1073
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:00,150
demons and aliens a Bigfoot I'm going I

1074
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:14,220
can't I can't deal with this now in your

1075
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:16,260
book you talk a lot about electricity

1076
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:19,350
and how that applies to this these

1077
00:46:24,350 --> 00:46:20,790
ghostly encounters tell us more about

1078
00:46:26,570 --> 00:46:24,360
that well I I there

1079
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,580
the correlation between EMFs and

1080
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:28,140
electricity and energy and ghosts has

1081
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:30,390
been going on for a while I don't know

1082
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:32,100
did you know any paranormal team that

1083
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:38,790
doesn't have an EMF meter every show my

1084
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:42,300
phone every show you why someone's

1085
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:44,580
carrying around that EMF meter and you

1086
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,450
know they it's almost part of like if

1087
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,400
someone told you to draw a ghost hunter

1088
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:52,980
they would draw with a black vest and

1089
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:56,460
you know holding an EMF meter right so

1090
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,530
the correlation between electricity and

1091
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:00,300
ghostly encounters and going on for a

1092
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:03,720
long time the big question is at least

1093
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:05,580
when it comes to research parapsychology

1094
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:09,570
and is are are these electromagnetic

1095
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:14,550
fields in a way causing people to have

1096
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:18,030
ghostly encounters or are ghosts

1097
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:20,520
utilizing the energy in the environment

1098
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:22,350
to manifest themselves which are

1099
00:47:26,330 --> 00:47:25,110
affecting these EMF meter's right so if

1100
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:26,340
you have someone walking around with the

1101
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:28,410
EMF meter and it goes bananas on them

1102
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:31,230
they say oh my ears an example of a

1103
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,620
ghost here you know they would say that

1104
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:36,960
it's the the ghost is using the energy

1105
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,370
and the environment to manifest

1106
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:40,680
themselves there's a lot of research out

1107
00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:43,590
there like by Michael Persinger who is

1108
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:46,590
him and kind of most famous for the god

1109
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:51,450
helmet have you ever yes basically a

1110
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:52,950
bicycle helmet that they put on these

1111
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,370
people and it's a crude way of saying

1112
00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:58,410
this but it shot electromagnetic fields

1113
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:00,210
in their brains and while they were

1114
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:02,310
doing that in the laboratory people

1115
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:04,050
started having this sense of presence

1116
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:06,210
they started seeing visual apparitions

1117
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,270
they started having all these haunt type

1118
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:11,400
experiences so they were actually

1119
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:13,170
inducing haunt type experiences in a

1120
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:16,170
laboratory 3 em f's right and then they

1121
00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:19,170
they took that that a little further so

1122
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,030
they went out into the field and they

1123
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:23,460
found that things such as clocks by the

1124
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,370
bedside we're causing these very erratic

1125
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:29,130
and complex electromagnetic fields which

1126
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:31,290
were causing people to have ghostly

1127
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,230
encounters so it's like misinterpreting

1128
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:36,480
things so you know if I take a bunch of

1129
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:38,580
LSD and I see

1130
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:42,570
flying around are those ghosts probably

1131
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:44,070
no it probably has something to do with

1132
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:47,370
the LSD that I just took right yes yes

1133
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:49,770
yeah so there's a there's a reason or an

1134
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:51,960
explanation for that so the same thing

1135
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:55,140
with EMFs maybe EMFs if they're erratic

1136
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,060
and fluctuating are causing these

1137
00:49:02,180 --> 00:48:58,980
ghostly encounters but then on the other

1138
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:02,190
side of that the argument is well you

1139
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,400
know if if you have an erratic EMF and

1140
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:07,200
it's moving throughout the house and

1141
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:09,330
it's following you around and there's no

1142
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:12,210
source to the EMF wouldn't that indicate

1143
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:14,010
that that it could be something

1144
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:16,830
paranormal and I think that's what a lot

1145
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:18,510
of the ghost hunters when they use this

1146
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:22,020
these these EMFs are trying to say if

1147
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,820
you have an EMF that's really high next

1148
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:25,680
to a dishwasher you could sort of say

1149
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:27,510
well it's the dishwasher if you have an

1150
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:29,790
EMF that walks around the house like a

1151
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:32,430
human then you could possibly say well

1152
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:34,350
it's it goes so this correlation has

1153
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,950
always been there and it again the

1154
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:40,440
question is you know what is it

1155
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:42,390
it's so in the book I go over all the

1156
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:45,740
latest research I go over all the

1157
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:48,600
looking at it from both sides I go over

1158
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:50,580
sort of the electricity that's inside

1159
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:52,890
our bodies and how that can sometimes be

1160
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:55,230
you know ghosts might be able to you or

1161
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:56,910
you know apparitions or ghostly

1162
00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:58,560
encounters could could be the result of

1163
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:01,770
that as well so I I really take the

1164
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,530
reader through start to finish how EMF

1165
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,140
is correlated with ghostly encounters so

1166
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:09,240
the book the book really reads is sort

1167
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:11,250
of you know I know I'm not preaching to

1168
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:12,930
people what's out there I'm giving them

1169
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:15,330
the latest research on both sides and

1170
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,950
I'm asking them to sort of think a

1171
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:18,660
little bit outside the box when it comes

1172
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:21,330
to emergency and goes and I think that

1173
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:22,560
that's really what we need in the

1174
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,920
paranormal field is just this you know

1175
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,420
knowing a little bit more there's all

1176
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,400
these tech books about what EMFs to use

1177
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:30,720
what they do blah blah blah blah blah

1178
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:33,240
but I think looking at what research is

1179
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,500
out there and sort of understanding what

1180
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,300
the correlations are I think we can get

1181
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:42,540
a better idea of that yeah it's your

1182
00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:45,330
book is explains a lot now with

1183
00:50:51,859 --> 00:50:48,060
electricity we are also for water but

1184
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:51,869
we're also electrical as beings and

1185
00:50:55,249 --> 00:50:53,249
and one of the things I've noticed is

1186
00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:55,259
that some of the people that I've known

1187
00:51:01,700 --> 00:50:58,470
have been very very talented mediums

1188
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,710
who've gotten critically ill they lose

1189
00:51:07,279 --> 00:51:04,559
their ability through their illness it's

1190
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:07,289
like the electrical sensation of

1191
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:10,410
whatever they had connected to these

1192
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:12,569
channels just goes away it's like the

1193
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:17,190
electrical volume goes way down and they

1194
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,839
didn't can't do what they used to do in

1195
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,579
the past it's interesting but I know

1196
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:22,079
it's also related to health they're also

1197
00:51:26,509 --> 00:51:24,059
saying that electrical stimulation can

1198
00:51:29,779 --> 00:51:26,519
help health you know to bring that

1199
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,789
electrical volume back up so there's a

1200
00:51:34,579 --> 00:51:32,400
lot to that with the electrical

1201
00:51:37,489 --> 00:51:34,589
stimulation of who we are as people how

1202
00:51:39,259 --> 00:51:37,499
we use that yeah and like you said I

1203
00:51:41,029 --> 00:51:39,269
mean every ghostly encounter that's

1204
00:51:43,819 --> 00:51:41,039
that's happened since the dawn of time

1205
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,829
has involved electricity because humans

1206
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,839
have been present to see the ghost feel

1207
00:51:50,359 --> 00:51:48,240
see the poltergeist do whatever and

1208
00:51:52,249 --> 00:51:50,369
anytime a humanist present electricity

1209
00:51:56,269 --> 00:51:52,259
is present because we're electrical

1210
00:51:58,579 --> 00:51:56,279
beings from reading just reading

1211
00:52:00,979 --> 00:51:58,589
something in a book there's electrical

1212
00:52:03,229 --> 00:52:00,989
impulses going through my my eyes and in

1213
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:03,239
my brain and you know my heart's beating

1214
00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:05,640
I got any neurons are firing there's

1215
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:07,079
there's electricity occurring all the

1216
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:09,930
time inside of us and it's not just

1217
00:52:14,059 --> 00:52:12,119
encapsulated inside of us it also sort

1218
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,069
of leaks out into the environment as

1219
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:15,839
well so this is this idea that

1220
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,640
electricity is part of everything that

1221
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:18,960
goes on in the world I mean we're

1222
00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:22,470
surrounded by EMFs there's no you can't

1223
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:29,269
opportunity shall we say where the veil

1224
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,900
is thinner where a person can step over

1225
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,200
that feeling that they have or it

1226
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:39,599
becomes more obvious because of the

1227
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:42,930
electrical I think people who are more

1228
00:52:48,009 --> 00:52:45,690
sensitive to the environment like I

1229
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:48,019
talked before mm-hmm sort of to

1230
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:50,430
electromagnetic fields more sensitive to

1231
00:52:54,859 --> 00:52:52,410
the environment that's around them so

1232
00:52:57,309 --> 00:52:54,869
let's say ghosts have something to do

1233
00:52:59,779 --> 00:52:57,319
with like the imprint theory where

1234
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:59,789
there's recordings in the environment

1235
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:01,470
that certain sensitive sensitive people

1236
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:05,370
pick up on if I'm more sensitive to

1237
00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:08,010
pmfs and EMFs are sort of encoded in the

1238
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:08,790
environment

1239
00:53:13,340 --> 00:53:11,070
chances are I'm more likely to have

1240
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:13,350
these encounters because a more apt to

1241
00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:15,240
what's going on magnetically in the

1242
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:16,470
environment hmm

1243
00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:18,450
so the veil would be thinner for these

1244
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:20,100
types of people if you want to look at

1245
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:23,310
it like that hmm interesting so we're

1246
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:26,010
gonna take another short break but

1247
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,540
before we do I just want to remind

1248
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:29,460
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1249
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:31,230
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1250
00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:32,670
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1251
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:34,320
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00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:36,660
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1260
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1261
00:54:01,880 --> 00:53:59,850
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1262
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:01,890
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1263
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:04,320
everyone to Supernatural girls radio I

1264
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:06,570
am your host Patricia Baker I am here

1265
00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:09,960
with my co-host PK and our terrific

1266
00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:11,580
guest tonight we're having so much fun

1267
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:12,870
with him Branden masuo

1268
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:15,030
he's the author of a great book

1269
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:18,600
everybody it is Mel it's a great read

1270
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:23,790
you'll it's excellent it really is of

1271
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:25,530
everything you need to read it it's

1272
00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:28,200
great but we've got to talk about what's

1273
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:42,940
it's a proton pack from the Ghostbusters

1274
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:45,510
when I was in grad school I built a

1275
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:47,820
hundred percent replica of the proton

1276
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:50,130
pack it took me a little while to build

1277
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,650
but it's a hundred percent accurate I

1278
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:54,660
didn't put the lights on it yet probably

1279
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:57,770
never will my wife won't let me but

1280
00:55:05,170 --> 00:55:00,690
because it's bad enough it's hanging on

1281
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,850
so it's a hundred percent accurate it's

1282
00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:10,740
just like the screen it's kind of my

1283
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:12,120
pride and joy

1284
00:55:15,970 --> 00:55:14,190
I'm a big Ghostbusters fan like most

1285
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:15,980
people who are

1286
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,510
the three parapsychologist wandering

1287
00:55:27,590 --> 00:55:20,400
around with unlicensed nuclear

1288
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:27,600
accelerators on their back well here's

1289
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:29,100
an excellent question this is from

1290
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:33,480
Denise Clarke cress and this we want to

1291
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:35,550
know the answer to this what is your

1292
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:41,610
favorite ghost case oh gosh that's a

1293
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:44,040
tough one that is really a tough one you

1294
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:47,550
know when I when I went through the book

1295
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:49,950
so through the book I have a probably

1296
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:53,970
about I don't know maybe 15 or so cases

1297
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:56,250
in there so it's tough to pick really

1298
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:00,690
one I will read you what I think is

1299
00:56:06,110 --> 00:56:04,380
probably my most favorite one so let me

1300
00:56:09,850 --> 00:56:06,120
pull it up here know if you don't if you

1301
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:12,440
that's what's great you know that's to

1302
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:15,180
me reading ghost stories and hear

1303
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:16,530
ghostly encounters are probably one of

1304
00:56:22,310 --> 00:56:18,780
the most that's the coolest thing about

1305
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:22,320
studying this type of thing is that you

1306
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:24,590
know everyone has a pretty cool story

1307
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,970
and then but what's great about the book

1308
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:28,500
is I sort of break it down like hey this

1309
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:31,230
might be going on here so let me pull

1310
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:32,430
something up here because I can't

1311
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:34,610
remember him off the top of my head

1312
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:38,640
unfortunately fine yeah my memories

1313
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:43,020
never been good okay let me get the one

1314
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:52,290
with okay that's tough to pick one but I

1315
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,970
tell you what I'll do I'll pick okay

1316
00:57:01,400 --> 00:56:58,500
this one's this one's kind of a short

1317
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:01,410
one I I really like it though so I was

1318
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:04,410
lying awake in bed for hours I could not

1319
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:06,090
fall asleep and I could not understand

1320
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:08,490
why I was very anxious and I felt of

1321
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,530
sunk I felt as if something wasn't right

1322
00:57:15,110 --> 00:57:13,140
without warning a soft glowing light

1323
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,120
appeared next to my bed the light

1324
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:17,280
gradually morphed into the form of a man

1325
00:57:21,830 --> 00:57:19,110
whom I recognized instantly as my

1326
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:21,840
ex-husband he did not say anything and

1327
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,400
appeared to be just staring at me

1328
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:25,740
what was bizarre was that I wasn't

1329
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:27,600
scared and I had little reaction aside

1330
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:28,859
from being curious

1331
00:57:34,009 --> 00:57:31,680
the next day I got a call from my son my

1332
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:34,019
ex-husband's child stating that my ex

1333
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,089
had died the night before unexpectedly

1334
00:57:40,099 --> 00:57:37,920
mm-hmm his death occurred around the

1335
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:40,109
same time I saw his image in my room I

1336
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:41,940
think he wanted to say goodbye one last

1337
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:46,799
time yeah I think that's a pretty cool

1338
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:50,249
story you know this person never had any

1339
00:57:54,019 --> 00:57:51,900
paranormal experiences in their life and

1340
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:54,029
had nothing since then but you have this

1341
00:58:00,769 --> 00:57:58,680
one life-changing event that's that's

1342
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,779
you see you're your ex-husband in front

1343
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:02,670
of your bed staring at you and then

1344
00:58:06,859 --> 00:58:04,200
finding out that he died at the same

1345
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:06,869
time you know across town or something

1346
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:09,059
like that so me that's a life-changing

1347
00:58:14,059 --> 00:58:11,940
event and that's it but it's it doesn't

1348
00:58:15,739 --> 00:58:14,069
have demons or you know people getting

1349
00:58:19,789 --> 00:58:15,749
scratched or anything like that but it's

1350
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,799
it's it's a really neat spontaneous case

1351
00:58:23,779 --> 00:58:21,839
example of a paranormal experience and

1352
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:23,789
and to me those are sometimes the best

1353
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:26,880
ones very simple well and it's a very

1354
00:58:32,059 --> 00:58:28,890
touching moment because clearly this was

1355
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,069
an ex-husband for some reason but yet he

1356
00:58:36,589 --> 00:58:34,079
came back to say as she thought goodbye

1357
00:58:39,259 --> 00:58:36,599
one last time and she wasn't afraid as I

1358
00:58:41,569 --> 00:58:39,269
read in the story uh that she was

1359
00:58:44,509 --> 00:58:41,579
curious about it so you know that's

1360
00:58:47,779 --> 00:58:44,519
again a peaceful kind of experience

1361
00:58:50,269 --> 00:58:47,789
which is nice yeah yeah there's nothing

1362
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:50,279
horrible about it it's it's it gives you

1363
00:58:55,189 --> 00:58:52,529
a positive feeling it sort of makes you

1364
00:58:56,839 --> 00:58:55,199
say wow afterlife there's something

1365
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,849
going on there's something amazing in

1366
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,859
this world that you know science really

1367
00:59:02,689 --> 00:59:00,660
hasn't been able to explain quite yet

1368
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:02,699
and I think that's really really cool

1369
00:59:08,259 --> 00:59:06,119
and so III have a lot of those types of

1370
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:08,269
stories in the in the book and Island I

1371
00:59:13,339 --> 00:59:10,859
didn't want it to be boring research the

1372
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,349
whole time so I I like the stories that

1373
00:59:18,949 --> 00:59:15,180
are they're a part of it and a lot of

1374
00:59:21,499 --> 00:59:18,959
them kind of are just like that positive

1375
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:21,509
sort of experiences and I think it's

1376
00:59:28,189 --> 00:59:24,660
wonderful yeah there's some terrifying

1377
00:59:31,699 --> 00:59:28,199
ones and ones were you know one word

1378
00:59:36,609 --> 00:59:31,709
animal dies unfortunately but yeah it's

1379
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:41,300
I know the whole thing that's right

1380
00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:46,410
I think it's important sometimes to III

1381
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:49,080
think pets are there's so much part of

1382
00:59:53,859 --> 00:59:50,760
our lives I'm a big dog person I have a

1383
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:53,869
dog that's my life revolves around her

1384
00:59:59,780 --> 00:59:57,570
and I always was you know girl growing

1385
01:00:01,340 --> 00:59:59,790
up and even going through college it was

1386
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:01,350
like well animals don't possess the

1387
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:03,390
cognitive functions that we do so they

1388
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:05,130
can't have these experiences bah blah

1389
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:07,830
blah blah blah but I think that you know

1390
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,410
we really are connected to our pets and

1391
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,420
you know we sometimes if they're in

1392
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:14,520
danger or if they're dying I think that

1393
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:15,900
there is some sort of communication

1394
01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:19,830
between the two of us and I think we

1395
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:23,070
underestimate our animals and they are

1396
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:26,490
not I mean they they are on our level I

1397
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:28,260
know Native Americans have said their

1398
01:00:33,260 --> 01:00:30,690
you know we don't know anything like

1399
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:33,270
what animals no animals know more than

1400
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:33,780
we do

1401
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,540
I have a story to tell about this when

1402
01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:39,119
we thank God it wasn't about a death of

1403
01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:41,340
a pet but just too devastating for me to

1404
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:43,950
talk about but this is an interesting

1405
01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:47,790
story when we were looking to get shih

1406
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:50,790
tzu puppy and we had been to see the

1407
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:53,130
puppies at this woman's house they were

1408
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:54,660
all purebred they're beautiful my

1409
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:56,760
husband bonded very well with one of

1410
01:01:01,160 --> 01:00:58,500
them and as you know my husband's a

1411
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:01,170
non-believer and all of this stuff but

1412
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:05,520
what happened was one morning both my

1413
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:07,619
husband and I woke up and we had almost

1414
01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:10,850
exactly the same dream and in the dream

1415
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:14,100
this puppy came to us and said you need

1416
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:16,740
to take me home now because there's

1417
01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:20,010
something wrong with the woodstove now

1418
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:22,560
that was my dream and that in the in my

1419
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:25,410
dream the place burned to the ground I'm

1420
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:27,180
a little more dramatic than my husband

1421
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:33,210
so similar dream but the house doesn't

1422
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:34,740
burn to the ground but he's there and

1423
01:01:37,310 --> 01:01:36,119
he's trying he's looking at the wood

1424
01:01:40,580 --> 01:01:37,320
stove trying to figure out what's wrong

1425
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,590
with it so I said this is too unique

1426
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:42,420
because my husband never remembers his

1427
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,170
dreams so I called a woman I said I know

1428
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,900
the dog is the puppy is a little to you

1429
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:50,880
for you to release to us but we want to

1430
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:53,400
pick him up anyways he was eight weeks

1431
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:54,930
they usually don't really like to

1432
01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:56,970
release you know young dogs and his

1433
01:01:59,870 --> 01:01:58,349
small dogs like that until they're

1434
01:02:02,180 --> 01:01:59,880
twelve weeks off but I said we're

1435
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,190
responsible pet owners you know we'll do

1436
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:03,839
everything to make sure he's taken care

1437
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:08,240
of so we brought him home early and a

1438
01:02:12,529 --> 01:02:10,680
few weeks later I called her up to see

1439
01:02:15,259 --> 01:02:12,539
how the other puppies were doing if they

1440
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:15,269
had all found homes and she said oh my

1441
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,220
god I had the most terrible thing

1442
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:19,980
happened with the wood stove and the

1443
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:22,619
wood stove backed up and they almost

1444
01:02:27,549 --> 01:02:24,599
have a fire but didn't in all the

1445
01:02:30,019 --> 01:02:27,559
puppies got sick they had to be put on

1446
01:02:34,009 --> 01:02:30,029
antibiotics and a whole big Megillah

1447
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:34,019
so anyways there's a good example that's

1448
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:37,559
out to us he knew something was wrong

1449
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:40,650
and he needed to get out of there sooner

1450
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:43,650
instead of later and luckily we listened

1451
01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:45,960
to what he told us in the dream and we

1452
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:49,470
got him out of there in time so yeah I

1453
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:51,450
think we underestimate these little

1454
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:54,569
creatures sure I think we do too and you

1455
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:56,430
know I think that there's a lot of

1456
01:03:01,009 --> 01:02:58,890
things we could you know they they're

1457
01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:01,019
not distracted by all the stuff that

1458
01:03:04,819 --> 01:03:03,150
weigh us down so that they're a little

1459
01:03:07,999 --> 01:03:04,829
bit more perceptive to everything that's

1460
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:08,009
going on in the world you know in the

1461
01:03:14,509 --> 01:03:12,210
book I have this one example of it was

1462
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:14,519
taken from like the 1860s it was from

1463
01:03:19,249 --> 01:03:16,230
the phantasms of the living which is a

1464
01:03:24,859 --> 01:03:19,259
book that was written late 1860's about

1465
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:24,869
bob the dog and yeah so you know this is

1466
01:03:30,499 --> 01:03:27,210
obviously I wasn't in the 1860s to get

1467
01:03:33,019 --> 01:03:30,509
this but from the book I pulled it from

1468
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:33,029
this phantasms of the living book so in

1469
01:03:40,729 --> 01:03:37,049
in this in this example this the the

1470
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:40,739
gentleman wakes up one night and from a

1471
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:41,249
nightmare

1472
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:49,529
is like he senses an awful oppression

1473
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:52,230
and a terrified struggle for life like

1474
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,180
the act of drowning in water would

1475
01:04:00,130 --> 01:03:56,640
perhaps possibly involved and he dreamed

1476
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:00,140
that his his black retriever was was

1477
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:02,370
named Bob was

1478
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:04,950
was laying in on his side and the in the

1479
01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:08,220
in the water of some kind and in this

1480
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:09,840
vision the dog was trying to speak to

1481
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:12,540
him in words and he was transmitting to

1482
01:04:18,250 --> 01:04:14,940
him there was mine this this idea that

1483
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,260
he was dying and then he kind of woke up

1484
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:21,180
and you know his wife was like what are

1485
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:24,120
you doing and and she was like you know

1486
01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:25,740
you were making all these weird barking

1487
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:30,990
noises and when you were god so not only

1488
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:32,970
was he getting this sort of telepathic

1489
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:35,880
message from his dog but somehow he was

1490
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:38,250
almost trying to like talk to the dog

1491
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:41,010
back like he was working and making dog

1492
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:43,650
noises so there was some sort of

1493
01:04:48,110 --> 01:04:46,350
communication happening obviously the

1494
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:48,120
next day that unfortunately the dog was

1495
01:04:52,850 --> 01:04:50,550
was found in a river or something like

1496
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:52,860
that but you have this idea where this

1497
01:04:59,180 --> 01:04:55,890
dog has this emotional life-threatening

1498
01:05:02,180 --> 01:04:59,190
event and he somehow was communicating

1499
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:02,190
this to his owner you know and there's

1500
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,900
some sort of communication happening

1501
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:06,240
like a telepathic thought transference

1502
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:09,570
type thing happening so the you know to

1503
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:11,570
me that's a kind of a really cool

1504
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:15,690
example of this things that are

1505
01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:19,170
happening that we're not really looking

1506
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:21,420
for just happen out of the blue and it

1507
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:23,160
has to do with emotions it has to do

1508
01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:26,910
with communicating thoughts across long

1509
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:29,040
distances and I think that's all

1510
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:30,780
fascinating and I think it all sort of

1511
01:05:35,660 --> 01:05:32,610
goes to those deathbed apparitions and

1512
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:35,670
crisis apparitions yeah and so they do

1513
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:38,670
they are connected to us and we need to

1514
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:41,070
listen to what they have to say it's too

1515
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,690
bad he couldn't save the dog because it

1516
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:44,460
sounded like the dog was really wanting

1517
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:47,640
to be saved so that's too bad well

1518
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:49,950
here's another question for you this is

1519
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:51,870
from Bailey Shaw who says what about

1520
01:05:55,070 --> 01:05:54,090
ghostly possessions like we saw in the

1521
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:55,080
movie ghosts

1522
01:06:03,140 --> 01:06:00,240
is this all a farce ghostly possessions

1523
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:03,150
like god I haven't seen ghosts in a

1524
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:12,980
while yes and that would be Goldberg

1525
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:16,130
yeah you know a lot of the case examples

1526
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:18,890
that I come across I've never come

1527
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:20,900
across anyone who's who's reported to be

1528
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,260
possessed by a spirit of any kind if

1529
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:26,720
that does happen I suppose it's probably

1530
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:27,980
really really really really really

1531
01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:32,660
really really rare so I I and I've I've

1532
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:35,990
spoken to many people and in the UK and

1533
01:06:40,329 --> 01:06:37,310
here in the states as well and I've

1534
01:06:42,910 --> 01:06:40,339
never come across anyone who's talked

1535
01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:42,920
about possession so usually if I don't

1536
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,390
talk about it face to face with somebody

1537
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:46,160
I don't really talk about it too much so

1538
01:07:02,109 --> 01:06:48,020
unfortunately I can't answer that one

1539
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:02,119
too much I've gotten good at saying I

1540
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:05,510
don't know yeah sometimes people will

1541
01:07:13,569 --> 01:07:07,550
ask me about Bigfoot and I say I don't

1542
01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:13,579
know anything I don't know you know I go

1543
01:07:16,690 --> 01:07:14,420
into some of these paranormal

1544
01:07:17,859 --> 01:07:16,700
conferences I think there's a lot of

1545
01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:17,869
pressure for people who are doing

1546
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,640
lectures and speaking to have all the

1547
01:07:22,990 --> 01:07:21,440
answers and you can't have all the

1548
01:07:25,329 --> 01:07:23,000
answers especially when it comes to the

1549
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,339
paranormal so you have to just say this

1550
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:27,920
is what I think but I don't know because

1551
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:29,510
I should I don't know about demons I

1552
01:07:36,579 --> 01:07:34,310
don't know about the new technologies

1553
01:07:39,490 --> 01:07:36,589
that are coming out I have heard some

1554
01:07:41,260 --> 01:07:39,500
remarkable experiences with some of the

1555
01:07:44,349 --> 01:07:41,270
new technologies so instead of getting

1556
01:07:46,540 --> 01:07:44,359
some little garbled EVP they're getting

1557
01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:46,550
full conversations with people that have

1558
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:48,500
passed over in the voice of the person

1559
01:07:54,250 --> 01:07:50,510
who passed have you had an experience

1560
01:07:57,370 --> 01:07:54,260
for that no unfortunately not I've been

1561
01:08:00,880 --> 01:07:57,380
going on a lot more ghost investigations

1562
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:00,890
in fact this this past weekend a team

1563
01:08:07,420 --> 01:08:04,390
had invited me to the Collingwood Arts

1564
01:08:11,050 --> 01:08:07,430
Center in Toledo Ohio which is which is

1565
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,060
a pretty old building and they use all

1566
01:08:16,329 --> 01:08:13,760
the spirit boxes and they used you know

1567
01:08:19,180 --> 01:08:16,339
a lot of the latest stuff and nothing

1568
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:19,190
really came across so I've heard about

1569
01:08:22,059 --> 01:08:20,719
this technology I've heard stories about

1570
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:22,069
it but I've never had any sort of

1571
01:08:27,410 --> 01:08:24,170
first-hand experiences about

1572
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:27,420
involving it actually working or

1573
01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:30,570
something that was abnormal so you know

1574
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:32,550
I always tell people I'm I'm looking

1575
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:35,160
well again I'm open-minded to anything

1576
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:37,410
so I go to these investigations if

1577
01:08:42,110 --> 01:08:39,510
somebody asked me to go I I sit in the

1578
01:08:44,210 --> 01:08:42,120
dark rooms and I I listen to you know

1579
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:44,220
try to talk and you know I'll ask

1580
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:47,070
questions to you know just to sort of be

1581
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:50,730
part of it but I've never had that that

1582
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:52,770
paranormal experience like seeing a full

1583
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:55,650
apparition or having something bizarre

1584
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:57,180
like that happen

1585
01:09:03,140 --> 01:08:59,940
so I'm open to that and so I don't want

1586
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:03,150
people to think that I'm close-minded I

1587
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:05,970
but I haven't had anything like that but

1588
01:09:11,810 --> 01:09:10,710
a lot of the new Tech's is god I can't

1589
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:11,820
even keep up with a lot of the tech

1590
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:14,190
that's out there you know they have a

1591
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:15,810
lot of this evidence on YouTube and

1592
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:17,100
things like that that I watch and I

1593
01:09:21,980 --> 01:09:20,460
listen to but it's tough to really and

1594
01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:21,990
this is may sound horrible Sam it's

1595
01:09:25,730 --> 01:09:23,220
tough to believe it unless you're

1596
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:25,740
actually there it's like these pictures

1597
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:27,390
you know there's pictures there's

1598
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:28,980
pictures are popping up and they're like

1599
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,450
well it looks like a ghost and then two

1600
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,880
weeks later it's it's a ghost app that

1601
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:35,100
someone just made up and you know it's

1602
01:09:38,020 --> 01:09:36,810
like if it's unless I'm there it's hard

1603
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:38,030
for me to believe it

1604
01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:41,370
yeah it's really frustrating I think for

1605
01:09:46,730 --> 01:09:44,910
people who love the paranormal to have

1606
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:46,740
to sort through all of the things that

1607
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:49,320
people kind of fudge their way through I

1608
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:51,540
wish they would stop doing that because

1609
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,570
it just muddies the water so much and we

1610
01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:57,060
prefer it if people would just post

1611
01:10:01,280 --> 01:09:59,070
their real encounters and not try to

1612
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:01,290
photoshop it or whatever they're doing

1613
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:04,410
it and yeah makes it yeah and now it's

1614
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:07,170
almost like my you know maybe ten years

1615
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,970
ago when I was going through Facebook ID

1616
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,980
like oh go a real ghostly picture and

1617
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:13,920
I'd pop on it now it's like happens

1618
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:16,260
thirty times a day I get something on my

1619
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:18,930
facebook saying proof of ghosts I'm like

1620
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:21,450
okay and then two hours later proof of

1621
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:27,060
ghosts okay and I'm like yeah like you

1622
01:10:31,390 --> 01:10:29,010
said it muddies the water makes things a

1623
01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:31,400
lot more challenging whereas you know

1624
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,380
back in the 70s and 80s if there was a

1625
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:36,480
there was a cool ghost picture it was

1626
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:37,980
just you know

1627
01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:40,650
well this one picture circulated for you

1628
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:42,600
know forever like the great lady or

1629
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,020
whatever else was out there yeah that

1630
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:49,080
one did go around forever but yeah I

1631
01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:51,080
just again I just wish people would stop

1632
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:53,220
making stuff up and let's stick to what

1633
01:10:57,410 --> 01:10:55,140
they really find cuz people are finding

1634
01:10:59,180 --> 01:10:57,420
some really great things and we'd love

1635
01:11:01,280 --> 01:10:59,190
to be able to see them and enjoy them

1636
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:01,290
but some of the recent technology that

1637
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:03,210
I've heard is absolutely mind-boggling

1638
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:05,430
and we're hoping to get more of these

1639
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,260
folks on our show so that we can

1640
01:11:10,610 --> 01:11:08,880
demonstrate it to our audience and they

1641
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,620
can actually have a live experience like

1642
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:13,080
you said it makes a big difference when

1643
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:15,060
you're there and and you have this

1644
01:11:19,340 --> 01:11:17,010
experience yourself so we're hoping to

1645
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,350
get some of them on in the next couple

1646
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:21,480
of months and here's a question this is

1647
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:22,470
from Tom Rader

1648
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:25,800
hi Brandon do we all become ghosts like

1649
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:28,500
a piece of matter or energy that can

1650
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:41,460
never truly be destroyed no no what I

1651
01:11:47,150 --> 01:11:44,730
think in the book I go over this a lot

1652
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:47,160
I'm a big proponent of consciousness and

1653
01:11:53,210 --> 01:11:49,350
consciousness existing outside of our

1654
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:53,220
physical brains so a lot of time in

1655
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:54,750
mainstream science the idea was that

1656
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:56,580
consciousness is a part of our brain

1657
01:12:03,229 --> 01:12:00,239
right so we're like robots in a way once

1658
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:03,239
once we once the body shuts down then we

1659
01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:04,890
cease to exist and there's nothing more

1660
01:12:12,380 --> 01:12:09,390
after that but within the last probably

1661
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,390
five years or so this there's this idea

1662
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:14,580
that consciousness is not just located

1663
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:16,980
inside our brain but it's actually

1664
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:22,200
external sort of like so these

1665
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:24,120
near-death experiences it's it's more

1666
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:25,560
it's more like it has to do with

1667
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:27,810
consciousness so if the idea that

1668
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:29,820
consciousness are self awareness who we

1669
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,730
are is not located internally and is

1670
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:34,920
external that opens the door to this

1671
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:38,930
idea of near-death experiences

1672
01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:43,890
reincarnation sigh ESP those types of

1673
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:46,739
phenomenon that are out there so I would

1674
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:48,330
say the consciousness probably plays a

1675
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:51,210
role after you after your your body

1676
01:12:54,860 --> 01:12:51,900
ceases

1677
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,870
to exist consciousness may may hang

1678
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,090
around for a little while now how long

1679
01:13:02,090 --> 01:12:59,760
it hangs around I don't know if it's 2

1680
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:02,100
minutes or if it's 2 years I have no

1681
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:04,440
idea there's people who have near-death

1682
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:06,870
experiences who can describe after they

1683
01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:09,090
die what's going on beneath them that's

1684
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:10,860
sort of this idea that consciousness has

1685
01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:13,710
left the body and it's it's still able

1686
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:19,380
to sort of understand what's going on

1687
01:13:23,209 --> 01:13:20,580
and then when they're brought back

1688
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:23,219
obviously consciousness goes goes back

1689
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,110
to the body and sort of resonates with

1690
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,360
the mind again and then they remember

1691
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:30,000
that type of thing so you know maybe

1692
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,800
when when the body ceases to exist

1693
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,600
consciousness is still sort of floating

1694
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:36,239
around there you know Michael Persinger

1695
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,010
who we talked about a little bit earlier

1696
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,840
has a youtube video out called no more

1697
01:13:45,979 --> 01:13:42,000
secrets and in it he kind of goes over

1698
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:45,989
this idea that the the environment so

1699
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:49,080
the atmosphere has enough energy to sort

1700
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:54,320
of hold and maintain everybody's

1701
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,550
everybody who every human that's ever

1702
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,080
lived their thoughts feelings and

1703
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:00,840
emotions in a way so if this idea that

1704
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,390
that those are sort of hanging around in

1705
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:04,920
the atmosphere and we can sort of link

1706
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:06,600
into them that opens up the possibility

1707
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:10,530
to a lot of things so this idea and and

1708
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:12,600
this is this is actually flowing in the

1709
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:14,130
mainstream science a little bit more

1710
01:14:18,740 --> 01:14:17,190
there's a lot of neuroscientists there

1711
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:18,750
are psychologists who are saying you

1712
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:20,850
know what maybe we were wrong maybe

1713
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:22,710
consciousness is not part of our brain

1714
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:24,330
maybe it's external and like I said

1715
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:25,980
before that opens the door to a lot of

1716
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:29,010
things and to me that would answer the

1717
01:14:35,959 --> 01:14:33,570
question that the person had asked yeah

1718
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:35,969
it's an interesting question and I mean

1719
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,010
I've heard I heard one explanation of

1720
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:39,600
death which I think is the best one I've

1721
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:42,810
heard yet where the person came through

1722
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,610
a medium and said well it was like I was

1723
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:46,860
sitting in this chair over here and then

1724
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,540
I died and now I'm sitting in this chair

1725
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,080
over here so you know that's how how

1726
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,520
simple it is and it's a great

1727
01:14:59,419 --> 01:14:56,880
explanation I think but yeah although

1728
01:15:02,750 --> 01:14:59,429
these are such fabulous questions to

1729
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:02,760
keep asking and your book does provide

1730
01:15:08,189 --> 01:15:05,679
some direction as to where to look next

1731
01:15:09,719 --> 01:15:08,199
you know for for some of these answers I

1732
01:15:11,459 --> 01:15:09,729
think you know that I think

1733
01:15:15,089 --> 01:15:11,469
consciousness and consciousness studies

1734
01:15:17,009 --> 01:15:15,099
I think we're gonna hear a lot more

1735
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,019
about that in the next two or three

1736
01:15:20,879 --> 01:15:18,880
years when it comes to the paranormal

1737
01:15:23,549 --> 01:15:20,889
you're gonna see a lot more books about

1738
01:15:26,069 --> 01:15:23,559
how consciousness relates to ghosts and

1739
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,079
paranormal and near-death experiences so

1740
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:28,320
you're probably going to get a lot more

1741
01:15:33,089 --> 01:15:30,369
people on this show we're gonna be

1742
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:33,099
talking a lot better than I will so I

1743
01:15:37,949 --> 01:15:34,570
think that's really where the field is

1744
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:37,959
shifting yeah I think there's a lot of

1745
01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:40,090
people that that are reaching out and

1746
01:15:45,719 --> 01:15:41,469
and they're not they're no longer

1747
01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:45,729
ashamed but talking about these things

1748
01:15:50,879 --> 01:15:48,219
thank goodness it is following more of a

1749
01:15:52,979 --> 01:15:50,889
mainstream current for a change which is

1750
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,989
great because we need to look at all the

1751
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:54,880
stuff and it's these are unanswered

1752
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:57,010
questions for millennia so we need to be

1753
01:16:01,319 --> 01:15:59,050
able to have some some better

1754
01:16:03,390 --> 01:16:01,329
discussions about this without the

1755
01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:03,400
embarrassment you know that that has

1756
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:04,900
been heaped on people that have had

1757
01:16:10,949 --> 01:16:07,689
experiences or have some you know some

1758
01:16:12,929 --> 01:16:10,959
idea of what's going on but you know

1759
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:12,939
with consciousness let me just mention

1760
01:16:18,689 --> 01:16:15,630
one more thing you know some of the best

1761
01:16:21,089 --> 01:16:18,699
remote viewers and mediums I've ever met

1762
01:16:23,549 --> 01:16:21,099
have had tremendously traumatic early

1763
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:23,559
lives and it seems like one of the

1764
01:16:27,660 --> 01:16:25,300
things that all of that traumatic

1765
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:27,670
emotion has done is it's allowed them a

1766
01:16:32,219 --> 01:16:30,130
non-local consciousness so they can

1767
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:32,229
separate more from their physical

1768
01:16:37,410 --> 01:16:34,209
reality and take their consciousness

1769
01:16:42,089 --> 01:16:37,420
other places so I think you know there's

1770
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:42,099
a lot to be said for for that and we've

1771
01:16:45,989 --> 01:16:43,900
had some healers on the show that had

1772
01:16:49,229 --> 01:16:45,999
horrible childhoods but somehow we're

1773
01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:49,239
able to to manifest these amazing gifts

1774
01:16:56,339 --> 01:16:51,550
and again from non-local consciousness

1775
01:16:57,779 --> 01:16:56,349
so anyway yes it's just oh we love this

1776
01:17:02,640 --> 01:16:57,789
stuff and we love having you on the show

1777
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:02,650
friends yeah yeah and the book is

1778
01:17:12,839 --> 01:17:08,400
wonderful it really is joy to read

1779
01:17:14,669 --> 01:17:12,849
interesting yeah it's great and I think

1780
01:17:16,350 --> 01:17:14,679
it's I think it's good for anyone who's

1781
01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:16,360
interested in the paranormal so that's

1782
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:18,280
paranormal investigators or just people

1783
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:19,360
who just like

1784
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:21,880
ghost stories but I think what it does

1785
01:17:26,189 --> 01:17:24,250
is it really has a provides the most

1786
01:17:28,379 --> 01:17:26,199
up-to-date research it provides all the

1787
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:28,389
the past theories and it gives a couple

1788
01:17:32,669 --> 01:17:30,540
of new theories so it's going to explain

1789
01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:32,679
what's going on with these crisis

1790
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:34,840
separations these deathbed visions it's

1791
01:17:39,149 --> 01:17:37,570
going to talk about how what's going on

1792
01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:39,159
maybe with hauntings it's going to talk

1793
01:17:44,609 --> 01:17:41,980
about you know the the relationship

1794
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,619
between you know mental illness and and

1795
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,960
paranormal stuff but you know I think

1796
01:17:50,459 --> 01:17:48,880
it's important to know that because a

1797
01:17:52,169 --> 01:17:50,469
lot of people will ask me do you are you

1798
01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:52,179
skeptic are you believer

1799
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:54,280
I definitely lean more towards the idea

1800
01:17:59,729 --> 01:17:55,810
that paranormal phenomenon ghostly

1801
01:18:01,530 --> 01:17:59,739
encounters are genuine so you know I

1802
01:18:03,810 --> 01:18:01,540
think that a lot of people find comfort

1803
01:18:05,459 --> 01:18:03,820
when I say that so I always like saying

1804
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:05,469
that I don't want to say like I don't

1805
01:18:08,129 --> 01:18:06,850
want to hide behind the research or

1806
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:08,139
anything I think there is a lot out

1807
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:09,550
there that says that these encounters

1808
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:13,570
are 100% genuine well thanks again

1809
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:15,730
Brandon for a great shout out we really

1810
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:16,600
appreciate it

1811
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:18,670
we'll be back next week everybody we

1812
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:21,010
have white spirit animals to discuss

1813
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:23,050
with everybody we will be doing that and

1814
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:25,510
I want to again welcome our new

1815
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:28,090
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1816
01:18:33,209 --> 01:18:30,250
more about their products next week they

1817
01:18:35,939 --> 01:18:33,219
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1818
01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:35,949
until then we will see you on the blue

1819
01:18:43,540 --> 01:18:36,639
Highway